@nitro2k01: k

@nitro2k01: Can't help you with general aversion to change, but appreciate the feedback about stickered posts feeling plain. We're still working on it, will share updates as they come.

One thing I should call out: you mention:

"Currently, giving stickers to a post will radically change its framing."

One of the things we're jamming on right now is figuring out how to make stickering have *more* impact. Right now, the footer only changes when the overall vote changes to a different sticker. This is cool when it happens, but rare. So what we're playing around with now is an experience where the footer changes to match your sticker theme when you sticker it.

Hope that's not too confusing, pictures are better than words and we'll post some when we have some!

@nitro2k01: This is why I suggest that other people be able to tag others posts- but it should cost coins so that people can't do it infinitely.

@nsbarr: maybe by clicking the bar you could see the stickers fly across the bar in the order that they came (and maybe in relative speed that they were given).

All the feedback about groups vs. tags is helpful. Just some context about what we're thinking about:

What's great about groups?

* Has its own identity, helps create tighter small communities around a topic

What's not so great about groups?

* Content is harder to discover if it's not in a group
* Groups are kind of a pain to create and assign
* You have to pick only one group for your thread

With tags, we're trying to keep the great stuff and eliminate the not-so-great stuff. We're still figuring out how to handle off-topic moderation and group-specific stickers. We can also see cases where some tags become "supertags," kind of like how we promote certain groups today. Still playing around with it, stay tuned and keep the feedback coming.

@nitro2k01: I would probably use canv.as less if they moved the sticker bars to the sides and took away the cool textures.

@zecriss: There's a problem with this is if tags are organized so that they are assigned to individual posts. Let's say a tag is relevant to both the OP and all replies in the thread.

@nitro2k01: thanks for the mock, will start a new thread when we have something on our end.

re: tags on posts, yes that's another challenge we see. Sometimes someone might start a thread in say, "#fashion." Then people do all sorts of cool remixes with it that may or may not have anything to do with fashion. It makes sense to off-topic those posts, but at the same time it's kind of a bummer to discourage creative remixing. We don't have a great solution for that yet but it's another problem we're thinking about :)

Looks really awesome and the added functionality that's being implemented is something I'm looking forward to. Loosing the sticker boarder would be a shame though! The use of stickers has set Canv.as apart from other websites and with these new social teaks stickers would set Canv.as apart from other social websites.

Making the boarders less prominent isn't a good idea in my opinion but other than that no other complaints! Looks awesome guys!

@JFWA: A text edit function that's open for a couple of minutes after you've posted a text post would help too... that "to" is bugging the crap out of me...

@nsbarr: Still not complete, I felt your list was somewhat lacking.

What's great about groups?
* Has its own identity, helps create tighter small communities around a topic
*easy straight forward solution to moderation
*keeps the whole site more organised and focused, the ability to add a group means this isn't restrictive
*allows for fun things like group specific stickers
*easy to find, new members can quickly see where to post what

What's not so great about groups?
* Content is harder to discover if it's not in a group (this problem also applies to tags, especially since there's the possibility of an infinite number of variations on a single theme which somebody could create every time they upload an image)
* Groups are kind of a pain to create and assign
* You have to pick only one group for your thread
*often the group specific rules are unclear and arbitrary
*less visited groups can become very 'dead'

What's great about tags?
*Fast to add any tag needed
*multiple tags per image
*possibility for blacklisting could be easier to set up (although the more tags there are the harder it is to keep track of what you don't want to see)
*I like the idea of tag 'grouping' where you could search for all the posts in 3 different tags for example, wouldn't this be a cool feature to have? A user can make their own combinations of tags they like to see together.

What's not so great about tags?
*potentially disorganised
*hard to discover new tags
*moderation could be an issue
*feels more impersonal, more difficult to interact with other people that like the same things when everyone's just tagging separate posts.

@nsbarr: Idea time: Keep groups (or categories as they used to be called) and introduce tags as different things with a different purpose.

Here's my idea of how tags could work and how to prevent anarchy. To create a tag that has never been used before, you have to pay say 10 #1. Among tags that already exist, there are two types of tags, established and non-established. A tag is considered established if it has been used on more than say 50 posts and by more than 5 users in total on the site. A tag that is established can be used freely. A tag that has been created but isn't yet established, can be used at the cost of 1 #1.

Tags are given like much stickers. You can search for them in a special tag palette as well as drag them to a post. Tags that are often used in a certain group (yep!) can automatically show up in the palette when you're in that group, or a thread in that group.

To prevent trolling by spraying every post in sight with some irrelevant tag, two users must tag a post before the tag is visible. Tags that were recently given will show up in the tag palette in that thread to encourage others to use it (if it's relevant.)

Some people are excepted from the two-user rule: You can immediately tag your own posts. The OP can immediately tag any post in the thread. Group moderators can immediately tag posts in their group.

There could also be (irrespective of what I've described above) a "soft off-topic" sticker, or a "suggest a different category" sticker for individual posts. This could be used for the odd post in a thread that is off-topic to the group the thread is in, but still relevant to the thread.

It all sounds complicated, but with a good UI it should be intuitive to use.

And also, while I'm at it, I really liked the previous system where an individual post could have replies, and then act as an original post. This made it easy for new discussions to branch off. Feel free to revive and rework this system.…

Haha! Whoever gave me that monocle chap clearly didn't read all of the post.

@nsbarr: the number one change i would like to see for the remixer would be less clicks to do things. the old remixer in its last state had a ton of features that were easy to access.

for the text tool it would be awesome to be able to edit the text while you are moving it around and resizing it. holding shift to distort text like the old text tool would be a cool addition. being able to change the outline color would be another popular modification to the text tool.

there is no easy way to change colors at the moment. custom colors cannot be saved. the color code is no longer there (i dont know if any one else used it but it allowed cocaine bear to be the same color every time). I like the color pickers ease of use but because of the way the menues pop out it can be tough to pick colors from the middle left. you could make the menues collapse when you are using the tool but then you wouldn't know what color your picking. it would be nice if the color selection tool was always visible since it is used for so many tools and there is no shortcut to get to it.

custom brushes would be a popular option. i would love to be able to select the layer in addition to swapping the layer. that way you could ink on the layer below your line work. there used to be a way to play around with the opacity of the stamps at the same time that you were playing around with the blend mode, it would be awesome if that could happen again but that one might be difficult to do as well. custom filters would be cool but currently that can be done with the stamp tool.

@nsbarr: Your'e welcome about feedback ;)

"Clicking “Explore” shows everything that’s hot on Canvas right now", please don't takes us the #everything or #following"
-I was talking about the top bar with #everything #following #new... Don't remove it. It's better than "Explore" because i saw Explore is a menu on the left that is occupying good space in the page. That options are better in the top like they are now.
Also the menu on the left the with explore, makes you need to put the stickers menu (at least in screens with low res) in the right side like facebook chat making them covering that posts...

"What would you want "Explore" to take you to? Right now the plan is for a view of Everything, that can be further filtered by "Popular" (default) "Newest" and "Best."
-If this is going to be implemented, i want #Everything, #Following, the opposite of following (same as everything but without certain groups like #politics) and #new ('new posts' not the 'active threads' option).

@nsbarr: The anon post about groups and tags is awesome! (http://canv.as/d/t5468/reply/1362044 )

-Groups work really good
-Little communities like #drawfriends or #filters are really good and have their own identity.
-Groups are better and easier if people use them right.
(Find a way to incentivize people to do it right is the best way.
When starting a thread have nothing in "the choose a group" instead of #funny, this forces the user to type the group from the scratch not incentivizing #funny right away
Maybe if #everything is the default page for starter users, and only then they have the optional option of #following in settings, they will see canv.as have other groups, will not use #funny for everything because the post will be probably seen by lots of persons even if in other group.)

-Tags are good if only optional and if they work as good search mechanism like titles now, they are good if i want to search in google images for a specific thing in canv.as

-Tags are bad because an image can be funny, template, photography, exploitable, nerdy, cosplay, women, video_games... and that makes harder to do and in the other hand encourages popular tags' spam from the start of the thread

@calhaus: Calhaus has right idea, I think.

Cross psot from the text tool thread:

Old text editor:
* Can resize text to cover exact areas.
* Can edit text while placing it.
* Doesn't forget what you typed.
* Has the ability to control text color and stroke individually, but stroke can't be disabled.

New text editor:
* Consistent font size.
* Multi-line.
* Has the ability to not use stroke, but also forces you not to use stroke for anything but white text.

If you could combine all the good things from both tools, you'd have the canv.as text tools of gods.

@nsbarr: zoom is really one of the major things. moving layers. selections.

@nitro2k01: Stickers have had a lot of cancer attached to them. Putting less emphasis on the number of stickers will get rid of people getting butthurt over sticker beggers (ie. WHY DO THEY HAVE SO MANY STICKERS ITS A REPOST) This shouldn't be as common anymore. I like the sticker system to help organize content, but when it's used to reward people, a lot of butthurt occurs over this meaningless currency. Otherwise, you're spot on about everything else.

@Anonymous: Ah yes. You're right. Stickers are bad. I'm sorry. I'll just go back to sites without stickers, like Twitter and Facebook. That will actually make the world 100% clinically free from butthurt. In fact, butthurt did not exist before canv.as.

@nitro2k01: I just said, this will get rid of all the bad shit about stickers (butthurt from jealousy) while keeping the good side (promoting good content). Try reading for once. I did you a favour and read your long ass post.

@Anonymous: As soon as there is any form of rating, there will be jealousy and butthurt. What you're describing has less to do with the fact that this rating is done with stickers, and more to do with the attitude that "We're canv.as. This is a place for OC, not reposts."
As far as I understand the bar on the right side would just be a visual change, and posts would be rated all the same, so I don't see what your argument is.

@nitro2k01: yeah, I agree. I honestly care more about what my follow canv.as users think of my content- not what moot thinks will get more users. No offense the canv.as team, I know they are doing a good job keeping cancer low.

@nsbarr: hi dev team,
how can i become part of your focus group/beta testing group for major changes like this? it would be really good to get the opportunity to provide feedback before it's too late to go back and scrap whatever the community doesn't like, as it is in this case, and many cases before it

you do provide more than just images to the canv.as userbase before releasing changes right?

@Anonymous: Uh, have you ever looked at the logo at the upper left hand corner of every page? The entire userbase is the beta testing group. They release changes to us, and if the community doesn't like it, they say, "Well too bad you're just gonna have to learn to live with it," and in a month we forget that we ever complained about it and so they change something else. It's the circle of life.

Rounded corners are not trendy anymore, pls.

@Anonymous: yes, and before every single thing in the interface had them. Now it's only the buttons and with 2px (quite smaller) radiuses

On an unrelated note - How long do I have to wait until I stop getting the attempting to sticker to quickly error after going on a stickering binge?

Well I think it looks epic

looks like bootstrap is involved... which smells like more tablet/phone compatibility... which is nice..

'33 people in thread' -- what does it mean? .. 33 people currently (like live) in the thread? .. 33 thread replies? .. 33 different people did a reply?

dont like the little right-bar for threads.. feels like canv.as will be less colorful .. its so much gray and white :/ .. where is the sticker-counter ? .. non stickered threads look wierd because of the double white margin on the right..

sticker-box blocks view on threads, wtf?!

'posted in stealth mode' --- ?!?!!??

5 #1's for a cool guy, wtf?

@Anonymous: But, there's not a point for that because we had Bananagrams.

@nsbarr: What's happening in front page posts?
They are behaving has if they were different threads.. :/
Why are not the posts from the same thread together/lined up? That was better and made more sense to see most of the posts, that randomly display them...

@calhaus: I noticed that too. I also noticed that the Pinned tab is hella fucked up and more or less nonfunctional now too.

Hey, Pinned seems to be fixed.