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@Anonymous: The faith that atheism has is that the absence of evidence of god suggests he does not exist. The faith that theism has is that the absence of evidence of god suggests he does exist. Both are built on faith, whether you want to believe it or not. Neither of them are scientifically valid.
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@Anonymous: Moreover, atheists do have beliefs. They likely believe in evolution and the big bang. They also likely have a humanist belief system. Atheism is its own system of customary belief hidden behind a veil of non-belief.
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@Anonymous: No, not believing in something that has no evidence is absolutely not scientifically valid. It's called confirmation bias, if evidence does not exist, then no conclusions can be drawn. Any hypothesis is valid, but for the scientific method to work, studies must be carried out in a non-biased manner.
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@Anonymous: Examined in an unbiased manner, one could ask the question: "could unicorns exist?"
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@Anonymous: Okay.
The statement "I know that unicorns do not exist" is of course not scientifically valid...
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@Anonymous: What was said was that atheism still ultimately counts as a belief system, as those with atheist views predictably adopt some sort of secular philosophical viewpoint.
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@Anonymous: probably, but those beliefs don't have anything to do with atheism, and should not be conjoined
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@Anonymous: That statement is also invalid, as without a full horse genome it's impossible to say "there isn't any reason to believe in unicorns." There's enough garbage DNA in every modern organism leftover from previous species that I'd be incredibly hard pressed to say "no reason to believe" for any organism. We just don't know, the extent of human knowledge is still quite limited.
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@Anonymous: Moreover, on the "origin of life" side of things, atheists predictably hold a belief in evolution, and the big bang. Unlike philosophical standpoints, which cannot be conjoined arbitrarily, atheism and the theories of evolution and the big bang are so synonymous that they might as well be considered a part of an atheist system of belief.
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@Anonymous: Well obviously unicorns do or do not exist. "Reasons", as stated before, only include reasons that we know of.
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@Anonymous: Yet failure to account for the unknown is an amateur mistake in any field of science.
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@Anonymous: This is why there are no scientific "proofs", only theories
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@Anonymous: Now, taking this concept back to atheism, atheism can't accurately say "I know god does not exist," therefore atheism "does not believe that god exists." Therefore, by definition, atheism is not a lack of a belief, it IS a belief, a belief that deities do not exist.
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@Anonymous: But given that religion can't build a plane or a skyscraper, I'm going to say science is an enabler.
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@Anonymous: Jesus christ, this is a subjective reality, and everything is only a belief. This logic destroys the definition of the word along with our little debate here, and lowers your entire basis to nothing more than semantics...
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@Anonymous: I'm sorry, but I was simply using discussion and logic to disprove the earlier claims that atheism was not a belief. For the record, lack of belief isn't called atheism, it's called agnostism.
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Or really any kind of metal. They take themselves so God Damn seriously. Its all a big show. Its like a bunch of high school theater nerds that couldn't make it acting or singing musicals so they got together and made music that is supposed to sound intense and hard-core but just sounds childish and angsty. Really? You're going to scream-growl all of your lyrics? Too bad no one can understand them. I bet they were super deep any ways.
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@Anonymous: NOOOOOooo why you even put Yu Yu Hakusho as the example? Deal with it. Animes aren't supposed to be taken seriously. Well, sometimes mangas are even act as a propaganda. Otherwise, Kagawa =/= Tsubasa. But that's Japanese.
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@TrueBlue: There are metal bands which aren't all about growling and their lyrics are romantic, too. But.... I'm okay with your opinion, too.
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@Anonymous: Japanese. Culture. Fantasy. Hyper-reality. And culture is not something that I can barely understand right away. Okay... I guess I take this too serious and fall into the trap. Your call, then.
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@Anonymous: #funny is the default group when linking to canvas or starting a thread.... Did you really think people would give two shits to put pics in the right group?
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@Anonymous: Canv.as really needs to set the default group back to #uncategorized
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