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@Anonymous: Bullshit. Nazis who want to gas Jews are bad guys. Terrorists who blow up restaurants full of civilians are bad guys. Most of the world is grayer than that, certainly, but the ability to recognize and oppose people who make the world worse is important.
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@Anonymous: I suggest you look up the culpability of the United States' Navy and Air Force in killing civilians. Army and Marine corps got nothing on their death count.
And remember: the United States Air Force and Navy maintain a capacity for genocide as a central plank of US foreign policy.
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@Anonymous: Making a lot of assumptions, aren't we? I didn't put them in the "good guy" column. I think it's a lot harder to find out-and-out good guys than bad guys.
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@Anonymous: You don't understand. It's not the cause or the people that make the mistakes that matter. It's the fact that this nation has millions of young men willing to get up every day and face their own deaths, whether for good or evil, that we must solute.
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@Anonymous: "whether for good or evil, that we must solute."
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@Anonymous: Millions of young men willing to get up every day and face their own deaths, whether for good or evil, that we must solute.
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@Anonymous:
I agree with your sentiment. A soldier is a soldier and they obviously believe strongly enough in whatever they're fighting for to be out there and there is some honor in that. However memorial day is a national holiday not a world holiday, so it's meant to honor the soldiers of that respective country , too much self-interest involved. -
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@Anonymous: Agreed, as long as they're from your country you should blindly worship them and their actions.
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Wow ... this entire thread makes me hate the canv.as community ... how disgustingly ungrateful and blind to sacrifice can you be? I certainly hope that none of my military friends lift a finger to defend any of your freedoms -- ever -- and that you find out what it's really like to be helpless and set upon by tyrants.
Unfortunately, those who protect your freedoms are too noble to selectively protect only those who appreciate them ... so they will protect you and your right to spew ignorant, hateful rhetoric toward them. But maybe one day you will grow up, realize that just because someone holds a gun they aren't evil, and feel ridiculously ashamed that you ever participated in the type of thinking that is evident in this thread. Maybe. And when you do ... you deserve the horrific feeling of shame and worthlessness that will hit you like a brick. -
@Anonymous: hear hear, if people have a problem with the wars they should direct their ire at the politicians, not those doing their jobs and risking their lives to protect the free world
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@Anonymous: if you think wearing a uniform absolves you of your responsibility as a human, you're as blind as a suicide bomber.
i'd be impressed if they nutted up and protected the Constitution against the domestic attack it's currently under (yeah, that's still in the oath, right?), rather than continue to vote in right-wing hawks for their own self-interest. i've seen it my entire life.
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@Anonymous: Most Nazi soldiers (there were millions of them) joined to fight for their country, not for the sake of killing jews or other minorities. The SS officers who commited murders were brainwashed into believing Jews and other minorities were sub-human pests, it's not like they were doing it thinking "I'm evil, lets kill some innocent people and go to our Lair of Doom." They thought they were ridding the world of pests.
German soldiers invaded countries without a real reason given by their leaders, and afterwards began to nation-build and fought terrorists who opposed their plans. Many said terrorists were captured and sent to secret prisons where no one knew what happened. In German soldiers' minds, they fought for freedom and security.
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@Anonymous: I'm not St. Peter deciding whether these guys go to heaven or hell. I'm not their psychotherapist. The reasons for doing evil things are many and complicated, but it doesn't make the things any less evil, or any less worthy of opposition.
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@Anonymous: Yeah bro, maybe that's not the right term for it but these fuckers just rub spices on meat and cook it trying to pass that shit as BBQ. It is pig disgusting and an insult to BBQ everywhere.
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@Anonymous: If you call throwing a couple tri-tips on the BBQ "blind worship" I guess I am guilty as charged
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@Anonymous: This place near my hometown is so fucking delicious. It's like a BBQ joint built into an old train station or some shit. Wabash in Excelsior Springs, Mo.
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I'm a former soldier. I almost feel bad admitting that now. Any reason given for killing a fellow human, except in direct self-defense, is just an excuse for furthering one's own ideals through violence. Worse yet is killing someone for someone else's ideals. "I'm serving my country" is just about the same as saying "I'll stand for whatever cause I'm told to."
I dunno. War is the most unimaginably horrible thing ever. I don't understand why it's still so idolized in a culture that is more capable of keeping people alive than any in history. I'm not sure what I was thinking when I signed up.
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@Anonymous: Bullshit. The Wehrmacht was centrally responsible for the holocaust both with economic extraction from controlled soviet areas and for active engagement in voluntary jew hunting and clearance activities. Further, the Police Battalions, comprised of the oldest, ie most independent politically, men were centrally responsible for jew hunting. Police Battalions had the same class composition and pre-war political party supporter composition as the German population. Social democrats loved killing jews just as much at liberal democrats just as much as Nazis.
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