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Capitalist democracy is a very nice definition, thank you. It meant "freedom for everybody" couple of centuries ago when poor could work his way to be middleman, middleman could become rich. Nowadays poor strife for hunger and rich can buy third world country. Not so much movement between classes.
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@Anonymous: What the hell are you, a teenage girl? "Oh my God you guys, OP didn't mention our capitalist democracies, what a bitch."
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@Meander_Thralls: And so democracy doesn't and couldn't exist in modern world as every law is big complex pile of economy-politics-shmoconomy that only a professional could understand. And in republic people elect representatives not because of their professionalism but because of their public speech skill. Yet wars are waged and supported by the idea of protecting the democracy.
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@Anonymous: India + Europe = 1.5 billion people who democraticly choose their president and live in a capitalist demcoracy. So the original picture is as a fuckin' stupid statement as your post is a world stupidity.
1- Your post is stupid
2- You are stupid
3- This topic is stupid
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@Lamasutra: Now tell me how much rulers each of those countries had to chose. Mine had 10 last time and it's considered almost a dictatorship by the rest of the world.
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@Anonymous: You have schools in your country ? Because I'm not sure you have learnt how to read.
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@Anonymous: because "europe has a president?" is a nonsense question. Every european country has his own.
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@Anonymous: >India + Europe = 1.5 billion people who democraticly choose their president and live in a capitalist demcoracy.
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@Anonymous: 1,5 people who democraricly choose their president(s) (in their own country). It was clear to me.
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Europe does has a president.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_European_Council
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@Anonymous: Thank you for that, you are the greetest. Now if you could kindly leave Earth forever, for no raisin.
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@Anonymous: He has nothing comparable to the power of the american president. Obama is for America what Berlusconi (sigh) was for Italy, Sarkozy for France and Merkel for Germany.
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@Anonymous: and this is what it's like in india: http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?280234
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@Meander_Thralls: I thought everyone that would bother to learn anything knew that we do not live in a direct democracy. As far as I know there are no true democracies... that would be a nightmare in logistics, that's for true.
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@TrueBlue: in Italy we've something called "food". Never heard about it? It's kinda cool.
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@urial: Referendums are up or down votes. Your body of representatives still decides on the text, and if it gets to a referendum, it means the representatives didn't want to vote on the matter directly themselves. It's a form of passing the buck, and it is a small percentage of all law that is passed. You certainly can argue it is a form of democracy, just not much of one and certainly not characteristic of the system as a whole.
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@Meander_Thralls: Not every democracy has to be a direct democracy. Making that argument is a stupid game of semantics that... oh, wait, this is #politics, home of stupid games of semantics.
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@Anonymous: Representative democracy is an idea James Madison dreamed up in Federalist paper No. 10, and just as it was a convenient fiction that was useful in his time for selling the Federalist concept to people that worried about the centralization of power away from state and local governments, it continues to this day serving the same function, allowing people to pretend they live in a "democracy" and have a say in government. Go back before Madison and you will find 6 forms of government, and "representative democracy" isn't one of them.
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@Anonymous: neither is the U.S. President elected, he's appointed by the Electoral College.
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@Meander_Thralls: Oh god... "democracy means ONLY direct democracy where each and every person participates in making the law."
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@Meander_Thralls: FALSE
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@Meander_Thralls: >line of reasoning
There is no line of reasoning here. Like "triangle" can mean both a geometric shape and a musical instrument, the word "democracy" can mean both "direct democracy" (what you believe it means) and "representative democracy", which is yet another form of democracy.
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@Anonymous: From the OED: "Government by the people; that form of government in which the sovereign power resides in the people as a whole, and is exercised either directly by them (as in the small republics of antiquity) or by officers elected by them. In mod. use often more vaguely denoting a social state in which all have equal rights, without hereditary or arbitrary differences of rank or privilege."
The first part of the definition was in common use back to 1531. The second part (after the "or") of the definition doesn't come into play until 1836. Interestingly, this is around the same time people started pushing for direct democratic elections of U.S. senators, so perhaps people were trying to indicate a democratic tendency that gave rise to terms like "representative democracy". And the modern usage further bastardizes the word so it can mean, more or less, anything you want it to mean.
"You're trying to limit the meaning of 'democracy' to 'a system of government where voters can vote on every law.' This is absolutely false, this is not the meaning of democracy, and I can't believe people fall for this."
Democracy means everything before the "or". If you want to include those things after the or, then you start getting into weird ground, e.g., corporations can be called democracies because they have democratically elected officers (understanding that stockholders are "the people"), installing dictators with rigged elections is "spreading democracy", or that the U.S. of A is a democracy, etc.
But, I think that's the point. People want to delude themselves, and sloppy, vague use of language is an excellent way to do it. So, carry on, just try not to experience too much butthurt when people pop your bubble of delusion.
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We have other choices, but they are shit. Roseanne Barr is running for the Green Party. I think Alan Keyes in done with the constitution party this year, Bob Barr may get libertarian again, There is the white nationalist, american Communist, National Socialists, regular socialist.
You have Xbox 360, PS3, or Phillips CD-i, Atari Jaguar, Sega CD.
There are more choices then Coke and Pepsi as well, but they suck.





