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@Anonymous: >>ten minute youtube video explaining "Palestinian" loss of land
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@Anonymous: so a more advanced society should hold back so it doesn't take advantage of a less powerful one? but wait.... (ussr, usa, china, india, japan) whut?
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I know it's wikipedia, but it's something. It's the most complete timeline I've seen, and it's not from some upstart's blog on how he hates Muslims/Jews.
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@Anonymous: Godfuckingdammit. Why you do this, clipboard?
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I'm not saying the Jews have been unimpeachable, but this map keeps getting reposted and it's so utterly stupid.
If you have any clue of, I don't know, *why the map changed*, it makes the Arabs look like total dicks. So, feel free to keep reposting. I should clean up a response and repost that back at you.
Why doesn't Israel get credit when they give land up? They gave Gaza autonomy. They ripped out quite a few settlements and were met with huge protests. Then the people elected Hamas, whose mission statement is the destruction of the Jews.
They agreed to stop settlements outside of Jerusalem for a year and then Joe Biden flips out because of building...in Jerusalem.
The current sticking point is whether the Palestinians will acknowledge that Israel is a Jewish state. Which some find, on it's face, offensive. Isn't that racist? But given the anti-Jewish sentiment, 100 years of riots, repeated blood libel, Hamas' Mickey Mouse extolling the virtues of killing the Jews it should be no surprise that the Jews in Israel don't want massive immigration from Palestinians kept in squalor in Arab refugee camps any more than Jews in Poland wanted massive immigration from Germans in 1939. Because as long as anti-Jewish sentiment is as strong as it is in the world (and Europe as well) a Jewish state is essential to protect the Jews there from what happened to Jews in Iraq, Iran, and Egypt in the last few years.4 2 1 1 -
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@Anonymous: To answer your question: because the link contains a dash ("–") instead of a regular, shirt minus-dash ("-") that you get when you press the - key. Because this is an extended Unicode character, it gets URL-encoded when copied, to survive being pasted into a non-Unicode compatible document. However, the link still works just fine, and the dash will appear correctly in the address field of any modern, sane browser.
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@Anonymous: Are you saying that palestinians specifically shoot at soldiers first, while israelies shoot at palestinian babies whille pretending to shoot at the soldiers?
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@Anonymous: no. he is saying that palestiniens use helpless women and children as human shields or as a defense against the israeli soldiers who are defending there own helpless women and children.
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@Anonymous: A little anecdote for you.
The palestine militants had weapons ready and being used to randomly send rockets inside Israel in an empty school located near habitations . IDF made a pin point attack to destroy the weapons. Boom, then a bystander gets hit and it's all:
Herp they killed an innocent child ! Look they even hit a school where there are children nearby! They are the bad guys!2 -
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@Anonymous: BASES MORAL JUSTIFICATION FOR THE INTERNMENT, GHETTOIZATION, AND APARTHEID OF AN ENTIRE PEOPLE ON "A little anecdote."
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@Anonymous: You don't think "We beat back an invasion" is a valid reason for the borders to change?
It certainly doesn't sound like "bullshit rationalization" to me.
That's my point. I'm not saying the Israelis are right or what their foreign policy should be. But if you say, "What happened to change these borders? Oh, war? Terrorism? Separation by the U.N./the British due to rioting?" it takes the wind out of the arguments.
Plus, the 1949 map hides the fact that that big "Palestinian" land chunk (the west bank) was owned by Jordan at the time. Why isn't Jordan pictured? So Jordan then when Jordan went to war and lost, it's not surprising the Israelis would push a foreign nation larger than their own to a more defensible position.
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@Anonymous: Of course the Israelis have never played the role of provocateur in any of these situations have they. I mean its not like the Israelis have clandestine groups that go around bombing stuff, or killing people for not agreeing with them.
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@Anonymous: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad#Alleged_operations
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@Anonymous: Oh, wow, Mossad attacked terrorists who took hostage and killed Israeli athletes at the Olympics? And Nazis?
Tell me again how they provoked Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Kuwait, Tunisia and Sudan into attacking them?
Nobody even alleges the Israelis had anything to do with the rioting that caused the U.N. partitioning, the '67 War, the second intifada or the war with Lebanon.
Why don't you add those to the wikipedia page? Maybe link to your own blog post?
How about that's crazy? It's in the realm of "the protocols of the elders of zion." Maybe they engineered the Holocaust, too, just to get international sympathy.51 -
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@Anonymous: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah
Actually I was thinking of these ones, and others like them,
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@Anonymous: Believe it or not I've heard from people who believe your last assertion. Total idiots!
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@Anonymous: >>Jews are getting beat up by jerks
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@Anonymous: >Nobody even alleges the Israelis had anything to do with the rioting that caused the U.N. partitioning
Have you been in a country before when the racial demographic of the population shifted to the point where the previous majority of the population became a minority of the space of 30 years through heavy immigration? Do you honestly believe with the border protection rhetoric that is constantly going on now with the fear of being swamped by asians or whoever it is today, that things would not have been even worse then? To say that the actions of the zionist mass immigration to palestine was not a contributing factor to the riots against their mass immigration is rather ridiculous.
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@Anonymous: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)
Forgot them sorry, im not sure if their assasinations or terrorist attacks started the war though, seeing they were attacking the british because they were fighting the NAZI's or something.
"Neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can disqualify terrorism as a means of combat. We are very far from having any moral qualms as far as our national war goes. We have before us the command of the Torah, whose morality surpasses that of any other body of laws in the world: "Ye shall blot them out to the last man." But first and foremost, terrorism is for us a part of the political battle being conducted under the present circumstances, and it has a great part to play: speaking in a clear voice to the whole world, as well as to our wretched brethren outside this land, it proclaims our war against the occupier. We are particularly far from this sort of hesitation in regard to an enemy whose moral perversion is admitted by all."
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@Anonymous: Wut.
Palestine/Israel land was under Ottoman control for centuries. The empire was "muslim", but the Palestinians hated the Ottomans. So they wanted to be a country. However, numerous other countries were like "The Jews should have a country (so they can leave ours)", so they supported the idea of a new Israel. The new Palestinians didn't want to share. A war started. -
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@Anonymous: This is why holocaust denial is so essential to the anti-Jewish sentiment in the middle east. There was a reason Jews were fleeing Europe. There was a reason they fled Russia in the early 20s and 30s.
Now, Jews had always lived in the region. But even before the U.N. mandate, they didn't suddenly form a majority. They were still a minority, representing perhaps as much as 30% of the population, up from 8% in 1914. But that was immigration over quite a few years.
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@Anonymous: how can you visit somewhere that doesn't exist? how about we go to neverland while we are at it
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@Anonymous: From 8% - 33% in under a generation is a fairly steep rise, and yes I totally agree that at the time it was put around that they jews had the option of emigration or death for many.
That being said your numbers are wrong, in israel its a 75% jewish population in the mandate of palestine as we were talking about the numbers were somewhat substantially different.
1922
Total: 752,048
Muslim: 589,177 (78%)
Jew: 83,790 (11%)
Christian: 71,464 (10%)
Other: 7,617 (1%)
1931
Total: 1,036,339
Muslim: 761,922 (74%)
Jew: 175,138 (17%)
Christian: 89,134 (9%)
Other: 10,145 (1%)
1945
1,764,520
Muslim: 1,061,270 (60%)
Jew: 553,600 (31%)
Christian: 135,550 (8%)
Other: 14,100 (1%)
Considering during the First Aliyah around 25,000 jews immigrated to palestine over 20 or so years from 1883/1903, in 1890 the jewish population was estinated to be roughly 40,000 or so in palestine, in 1800 the estimation is under 10,000.
This is a fairly large demographic change, and yes over the space of 200 years the jews went from being a tiny minority to being the clear majority, over the period of time that I was talking about [between about 1883-1948 though really the troubles between the jews and muslims started from 1900 on and seemed to have been mostly due to the jews wanting to create a country, within an existing country, and a country that was specifically jewish.
>What level of immigration justifies violence against immigrants?
None in my personal opinion, but frankly this is more than just simply immigration and demographic change, though its the most obvious aspect of it, mass immigration by itself will cause anger and fear, immigration in the aim of starting a new country though is something else, you arent moving to the country to be part of the country, but to take over, which was their aim.1 -
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@Anonymous: TL;DR
You don't even give a citation.
You think I'm going to bother looking at numbers (meaning memorize) that I'm not even sure are true?
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I find it funny how they hate the wall but it was erected to stop suicide bombers. Bombings went from 300 per year before to one per year after.
The best hope for Palestinians is to follow the Druze example. Recognize the state exists,live there without exploding, get right to vote own property and live your lives in peace. That's what the Christian and Atheist Palestinians seem to be doing. It's hard for people to hate you if you are peaceful. It's also hard to oppress such people with the international community looking.
The sad thing is many WANT to leave but other arab states refuse to take them in. They are like Gypsies of the middle east. People hate them. That's why refugee camps line the border, they are kicked out of Israel proper but damned if the other state will let them back into their ancestral Bedouin homeland.21 -
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@Anonymous: You should be a politician. You somehow managed to write that monolith of facts and figures without actually saying anything.
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